Therman, we have advisors there, and they are active duty.

Thermen - When you fly a combat aircraft over a combat zone, like they did in Libya, you are "THERE". You may not be based there or standing on the ground, but you are in the war zone. Perhaps YOU need to do some homework.

No U.S. troops are IN Libya. PERIOD.

So when did the U.S. pull out of the U.N. thermen? I missed that event.

Thermen - You have no concept of the real world. Try flying a jet in combat and then tell me where you are or are not. When they're shooting at you, you are IN COUNTRY. Now stop being a moron.

The U.S. played a 'support' role in the NATO action against Khadaffy's forces. No U.S. service personnel crossed the border unless you count Tomahawk missiles and Predator drones.

That is a lie Thermen, there were American personal in Libya painting targets.

What is your duty station?

...and this proposed rule would have allowed servicemen to get through airport security faster. Whoopie! We pay them a minimum wage to place their lives at risk while throwing a few crumbs in their direction.

Pathetic!

We have / had military personnel on the ground in Libya. They were there in a non-combat posture as advisors.

Thanks Big Paul,, I was just gonna set that big dummy straight. We do have people in Libya.

Guys please don't counter Thermen with facts it will only confuse him

During the campain dozens of military were put at risk when they flew over and bombed in support of the rebels. Plus, how close were the Navy ships operating in support? You don't have to on-ground in-country to be at risk.

thermen, the ignorant one here is you. There are and have been boots on the ground in Libya. Please don't tell me you believed obammy when he told the American people there would be no boots on the ground in Libya. How stupid some of your people are to keep believing him. We who have served and who are serving with any weapons background know there are boots on the ground in Libya.

Thermen Merman - There are no U.S. troops in Libya,

US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces attached to SAD (Libya), to provide Security and Targeting and Target Damage Assessment. If we get Killed In Action while attached to SAD sometimes we get a Star on the Wall as well as the Posthumous US Military Awards and Decorations.

When Libya was starting up we were placed on Standby for Redeployment from Afghanistan to be attached to SAD (Libya). Fortunely, for us (having done this before, attached to SAD, other at other Nations) others ended up going, not us.

By being attached to SAD by name we are no longer a "US Military Operation" only in the strictest sense of the definition (for people like you and the News Media that do not know (from firsthand experience, and too lazy to do the real research (There were previous unclassified US Congressional Hearings about this).

Just like we are not currently at Yemen, Somalia, etc. (and President Obama's two Secret Wars, that Senator Lieberman blabbed about to the News Media.). I discussed how those of us killed end up previously being sent to Iraq and indicated Killed In Action at Iraq; now we would be sent to Afghanistan indicating Killed In Action at Afghanistan, then shipped to Dover.

Just because you are the Last to know does not make it so.

Wait a min now would that be worse than the POUS saying he had visited all 57 states and still had 2 more to go before he was elected. Even though we have a military there.

Thermen Murman is another one of those morons who believe everything the government tells him.

Snook if he really said that about the 57 states the media would be calling him stupid ! wait no they are bias and ignore all his gaffs but if herman pauses to get his thoughts he is unfit to be leader

Therman...Get freaking life after you get a brain.

thermen All of these people have told you about the roles being played by our people inside Libya / Maybe they know something that we dont / Just because our government claims we are not there doesn't mean we aren't. just like all the other places we were not in but really were like russia in the 40s and 50s and north korea and north vietnam in the ltter years now libya and syria

Therman Merman, I respect that you want to believe what has been said openly in teh news and media Unfortunately the information isn't true. There are US personnel in Libya, there were US personnel in Libya during the conflict, no one is openly saying so because of election year politics. The statement was a slip. Not only did we have pilots over there, as another poster said, we did have some forces on the ground. You can't truly believe the government let rebels have any laser targeting guidance systems without training and supervision to make sure we got them back and those are just a few examples.

Therman...I'm guessing you're forgetting about the American pilot who had mechanical problems over Libya and had to bail out OVER Libya. Or were you just sick that day?

ninnybon that's the joy of TSA every airport gets to make up their own extra rules due to their local threat assesment... in other words we do what we want and nothing you can do about it.

Yes unfortunatley at some airport it is necessary to re-clear the security checkpoint for a connecting flight or changing planes... even on the same airline. But usually it is between different airlines on different concourses, piers, terminals, etc. It is a pain in the ass and should not be allowed. TSA should bear the burden of making things work and not the local airports and airlines.

Therman -- there's over a dozen of them there right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/12/us-boots-on-ground-in-libya-pentagon-confirms/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2011-09-20/American-troops-Libya/50481462/1

The TSA is currently testing a "PreCheck" program for travelers who provide personal information in exchange for the possibility of faster screening

I told everyone long ago that this was what it's all really about. And no doubt thousands of lazy idiots will be eager to give up even more rights for a little convenience.

We're toast.

This sounds great in principle, but there are also some concerns. First off, military uniforms are easy to get at any surplus store and military IDs are not that hard to counterfeit. Generating a fake set of orders to go along with the ID and uniform is also not that hard to do. Secondly, while rare, there are some unstable people in the military who could turn out to be a threat. All anyone needs to do is look at what happened at Ft. Hood if they have any doubts about this. Lastly, the military is not asking for this, so is it something that we really should be worrying about. There are far more important issues for congress to be spending their time on than minor feel good items like this.

JS in SD,

Do you know why I am happy with your post#2.25.

It is because by you not knowing about the Security, Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, etc. measures currently in place, more than likely the Terrorists would also not know much.

Our tax dollars hard at work, hopefully we only spent a couple of million to draft this one and the toilet paper tax lol. Good thing there aren't more important problems to solve.

Devil has never considered what it takes to denude a military uniform of metal, to take off combat boots and then put them back on in time to make it to the takeoff, or the horrors of carrying your rifle. Troop unit movements involve this and a couple of weeks agom the news was that some airlines were making the troops pay an extra fee to bring their T.O. weapon with them. Yes, we have had some troops (Major Hassan comes immediately to mind) go bad, but the vast majority of our troops are the target, not the perpetrator of these evils. Let's stop making life extra tough on them.

When ever I have gone though security they have actually been great to me. Most troops really dont mind going through the same hassle as everybody else. Though I would not complain for getting through line faster I guess.

I agree with you Ron795690 on top of standing your post try living on the very edge of poverty as an E-1 try spending 5 years 7 months and 11 days in a Vietnam POW camp. Then tell me that being a military member is not special. Vietnam was a different kind of war but the people that served during that time were and are AMERICAN HUMAN BEINGS, and we fought just like the proud young men and women of today are doing, for YOUR right to be stupid. Raise your right hand, endure what you never thought possible, separated from your family, to defend this fine country then spend time in captivity held against your will not knowing IF you will ever see the RED WHITE AND BLUE of American Soil again. When I joined the military I signed a blank check to defend the USA at all cost and if it came to it I would have covered that check with my life! Then have some Ass--le Like the Devil want to deni the very privilege that we fought for FREEDOM to the ones that are fighting for it! When you bad mouth America, and the American way of life, thank a service man that you have the right to do so. America Love it, defend it or get the hell out of it. I may not agree with what you have to say But I damn near died defending your right to say it. While you sit at home and bit--ed about some little perk for the American Service Men/Women.

ChamberDoc, Most american citizens aren't a risk either, but they still check them. Soldiers are no less a threat than anybody else.

Taziar - ChamberDoc, Most american citizens aren't a risk either, but they still check them. Soldiers are no less a threat than anybody else.

Think about this Historically. Since we are talking about Air Travel and Airport Security. When was the last time US Military attempted to Hijack or Blow themselves up and the aircraft, versus the numbers of times "Civilians" (some posing as Americans) attempted to or did.

Do you know how ridiculous it is for an entire airplane load of US Military Personnel returning to the US on a Chartered Civilian Flight from the Wars being screened by the TSA after a over 18 hour flight and then having to sit on the tarmac for many hours in the aircraft (and do not say that does not happen, it already did).

Hassan did not kill 13 of his "fellow" soldiers, He killed 13 U.S. soldiers.

He was an active duty soldier at the time. Thus, sharky was correct in using the term "fellow".

there are 1,400,000 active duty service members. You named one

it only takes one to take down an airplane

then this will keep you up at nights-right now there are a few thousand military people working on and around nuclear wepons, and reactors

and those people are background checked up the wazoo.

Damn good point sharky.

They didnt say the troops wouldn't be checked just pushed through faster. I do agree with you sharky that this would be stupid. There are bad apples in every batch . To risk the lives of others for the simple reason of trying to show respect is not right. Hussan is one example becuase it was so extreme but there are many other cases of troops coming home and snapping. After last deployment when we got home we had guy snap and shoot his roommate 4 times. Was he a bad guy no he wasnt. However you dont know the mental effect combat or even being over there can have on people.

I agree with Sharky. If you're going to minimize security checks for military, why not the actual pilot and crew flying the plane? How about any law enforcement officer?

well Sharky, then you must not have been at the airport when I was put in the second inspection line while the arab in pajamas went right through........because we can not profile!!......so this has been a long way coming and welcome!!

Another example: returning from Iraq with my 130 men infantry company we had to change planes from military to civiian in New Jersey. When we arrived at the airport all lugging our weapons M9's, M4's, M249's, some M240b's and some sniper rifles and in full uniform we had to take our boots off yet the weapons were fine!!! that is how ridiculous this TSA crap is!! ...........

There are bad apples between all but you need to focus on who the enemy trully is: and it is not the 80 year old grandma next to me getting searched!! by the way I am 6'2 230 blond hair blue eye with a military regulation cut.........does that sound like I have or my fellow soldiers have something in common with the 9/11 guys?

Recono321 is absolutely correct. There is really no security at airports. It's all show to make the public feel safe. Everytime the system is tested and agents try to smuggle weapons on board, they are successful doing so. It's all a not so funny joke.

sharky- since I have served my country and I have friends doing so now, I was finding it hard to admit that there could be a problem with this regulation. Not only for the fact that you brought up in texas but look at the number of gang members that join the military for the training alone. Being payed proverty wages it wouldnt take much to bribe someone that is not in the military for his/her country and go the way of a terriorist. Why dont they give us veterens the same treatment!!! because it wouldnt work or make sense. First get a security force (maybe our own military) to secure the airports, not the useless uneducated morrons they called the tsa. Once we get a proven security force that can maintain a safe environment, then lets talk about reducing some security checks. Oh and while we're at it, lets stop making it safe for everyone else in the world and protect our own country. Lets have our own military protect our boarders, not the people that failed the tsa exam.

sharky- since I have served my country and I have friends doing so now, I was finding it hard to admit that there could be a problem with this regulation. Not only for the fact that you brought up in texas but look at the number of gang members that join the military for the training alone. Being payed proverty wages it wouldnt take much to bribe someone that is not in the military for his/her country and go the way of a terriorist. Why dont they give us veterens the same treatment!!! because it wouldnt work or make sense. First get a security force (maybe our own military) to secure the airports, not the useless uneducated morrons they called the tsa. Once we get a proven security force that can maintain a safe environment, then lets talk about reducing some security checks. Oh and while we're at it, lets stop making it safe for everyone else in the world and protect our own country. Lets have our own military protect our boarders, not the people that failed the tsa exam.

Hassan had a security clearance, too. His CO's should NOT have been worried about being Politically Correct and stopped him before he got to Ft Hood. If they had done their job he would have been in prison before he ever got to Ft Hood.

Armando what are you talking about? The military take over airport security really? I am sorry but being in the military does not make you better then the TSA agents. I have served with plenty of idiots who i wouldn't trust to mow my lawn. Recono maybe check for live rounds and stuff in the boots? It just takes 1 idiot. Hah how about going through customs in Kuwait remember the RPGs and other weapons troops were sneaking back I was amazed

What all of you keep purposely leaving off is the FACT that he was an Islamic Believer.

As stated before (again all of you FAIL to mention) For An Islamic Believer, Islam Is All, All Politics, All Laws, All Religion, All Beliefs, All Ways of Life, etc, that supersede the politics, laws, religions, beliefs, ways of life, etc. of all other nations. And yet all of you (that never had to learn College level Islam at Egypt) keep saying your limiting Western Term of "Religion" for the Islamic Belief. Because Islam is all encompassing, it is also NOT a pick and choose Belief, like most "Religons" can pick and choose what they believe and do not believe.

The Sworn or Affirmed Oaths of Office, etc. of other nations do not mean anything to Islamic Believers, and is a means to "Fight in the Ways of Satan", as lying, deceit, subversion, etc. as condoned and required by current Islamic Laws, and the Holy Koran (Quran) that the current Islamic Laws come from.

Just like seen at Egypt, why the Islamic Believers are bombing and killing the Coptic Christians, as well as killing those Islamic Believers attempting to leave the Islamic Belief, as attempting to leave the Islamic Belief is to be an Islamic Heretic, the Death Penalty according to the current Islamic Laws.

And it is NOT the minority of Islamic Believers living at the US that determine what Islam is or is NOT for the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide.

The most difficult Current Islamic Laws based on the 104 Suras of the 114 Suras of the Holy Koran (Quran) that Call All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers (yes, you athestists, buddahists, hindus, etc. too), are those Islamic Laws, that state what you an Islamic Believer must do (from the Holy Koran (Quran) and the current Islamic Laws (Hadith, Fiqh, Sharia, etc.):

Sura 8.15. Oh you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve Islam marching for war, then turn not your backs to them.

The Islamic Orders to Major Hassan.

Sura 8.16. And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day, unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company, then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be.

The Penalty for Major Hassan for not Obeying his Islamic Orders.

Sura 8.17. So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy, Christians, Jews, Unbelievers), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

Islamic Absolution for Major Hassan.

All I can say is all of you that want to ignore Facts, YOU spend from the 1980s till now living with the Locals at Islamic Nations "Middle East", Islamic Africa, Islamic Asia. Learn Arabic at Egypt (College Level), learn Islam later at Egypt (taught in Arabic, College Level), learn Farsi, etc.. Those ignoring what I stated are identical to the self serving US Politicians that they hired, that also refuse to listen to facts from those of us that have been risking our lives for decades while they sit on their fat arses at Dysfunctional Congress (D.C.) being bought off by Corporations, Special Interest Groups (Including the Islamic Lobbyists).

And to those of you that refuse to listen:

Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock. Less than 9 months and most of us will be "Too Old" to be involuntarily Recalled to Active Duty again (and again and again). Time for all of you to "Man Up", "Woman Up" and become "Middle East", "Islamic Africa", "Islamic Asia", etc. Qualified as US Military Asymmetric Warfare. Stop saying that "Someone Else" do it, if you are unwilling to do this yourselves.

And it would be us, that return not to big celebrations, parties, etc. as an entire US Military Unit, but very quitely as individuals, that this US Law helps. We are also the one's that if we happen to be onboard on International Commercial Overseas flights to or from the US would assist the Aircrews and the Air Marshall (Rescue, Recapture, Recovery Operations; Counter Terrorist; EOD; etc.).

David I forget was Tim Mcveigh a muslim? Oh that's right he was not one in fact he was ex army wasn't he? So while trying to impress us with your vast wealth of knowledge it was pretty much pointless to this argument.

ninnybon - David I forget was Tim Mcveigh a muslim?

That is a failed distractor, we were talking about Major Hassan (now Prisoner Hassan), not anyone else. The arguement about the others (non Islamic Believers) is at the later post, further down.

Well we are arguing over security getting on air craft yes? I agree with you on the muslim religion but that is not the point of this conversation. Hussan is just one example as is Tim McVeigh . You do not have to be a Muslim to be a terrorist though it far more probable. I think we in the militarty should be held to the same standard as civilians getting on planes with a few exceptions. Just becuase we are military does not mean we are no threat.

ninnybon,

You might want to take a look at this (seriously, who else would do something like this):

Al Qaeda Bombers Learn from Drug Smugglers (NOT Detectable by Scanners)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/28/eveningnews/main5347847.shtml?tag=pop

The link of the Islamic Jihadists to the Mexican Drug Cartels and the over 23 Million Illegal Aliens at the US (used by the Mexican Drug Cartels). The recent failed attempt, Islamic Jihadist caught by talking to US Law Enforcement at Mexico posing as Mexican Drug Cartel members.

There is also the current matter of 20,000 missing shoulder launched, man portable, anti aircraft, missiles, SA-7s, that the "Rebels" at Libya cannot account for.

Like I said before over 80% of the "Rebels" at Libya were made up of Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. that gathered at Libya before the start of the "Libyan Demonstrations", "Libyan Revolution" "Civil War" to overthrow Gaddaffi the Collaborator (during President Bush) to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers as praised by Arabic Al Jazeera.

The first thing they did before the start of the "Demonstrations", "Revolution" was to seize the 60 bunker Hight Razma facility on the eastern outskirts of Benghazi and a 35 bunker facility on the eastern outskirts of Ajdabiyah.

The problem with these locations was that at the very beginning till now after the Gaddaffi Military Guards were eliminated, they were left unguarded for anyone to take anything. Some of these "bunkers" (Ammunition Storage Magazines) are actually the size of a warehouse. Some of the other "Rebels" before the start of the "Revolution" attacked and seized the Libyan Military Bases (aircraft, helicopters, vehicles, weapons and ammunition).

The problem with the Libyan "Rebels" (listed above, 80% of "Rebels") was just like us, trained as Asymmetric Warfare, we get millions to fight for us, we cannot defeat large numbers of Conventional Warfare Forces without the support of large numbers of our own Military Conventional Warfare Forces or those that we get to fight for us must be trained by us (to our standards, like what we did 2002 to the 6 Iraqis Divisions with our trained Kurdistanis Companies and our two Companies (for us that is a large number of us at one location at the same time.).

As they say takes one to know one (trained as Asymmetric Warfare), as to how we knew what the Islamic Jihadists aka the Libyan Rebels, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. as trained at the Islamic Jihadist Camps at the Autonomous Kurdistanis Region were doing as the "Arab Spring", "Libyan Revolution", "Egyptian Revolution", "Revolution at Yemen", etc.. And do the US Politicians care or listen to us, nope we (US Military) will have to take care of the problems long (years, decades) after they leave US Political Office (no longer their problem).

The second thing that the Libyan "Rebels" did was to free those Islamic Jihadists that were sent to Libya by the US President's own Executive Intelligence Agency as imprisoned at Gaddaffi's Prisons. As the situation at Libya was developing at Libya do you really believe that Leon Penetta was not briefing President Obama about this situation (rhetorical question). If you start to do the research and find the term, "indefinite pre empetive detentions", you are getting close to the truth about President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (plural).

So with that stated, do you honestly think that a US Commerical Aircraft has a chance against a SA-7 anti aircraft missile or an Islamic Believer willing to blow themselves up.

I'm with shark on this one. Nobody is more gung-ho about our soldiers than me, with two currently serving, blah, blah, blah... but please do not let up on security just because they are serving. Soldiers who snap as opposed to civilians who snap are more likely to be successful in hurting people for obvious reasons. Beware the uninformed do-gooders, humans are not intrinsically good.

Thanks but no, thanks.

P.S. David, could you give us some more detail on that?

Best Destiny,

Unlike the 92% of US Citizens that have Never served in the US Military.

Currently, and previously there were Psychological Screenings.

The problem with Major Hassan was that he belonged to the President's own Politically Correct Islamic Program (Council) and was "Untouchable", so he was exempt, regardless of his Bosses screaming to anyone that would listen to them as he was showing signs of being radicalized and other abnormal behavior (giving away or selling everything he owned). Dig deep enough to find out the truth.

Various Intelligence personnel had informed their Bosses of his visits to the Islamic Imams, like Anwar al Awlaki (same one's that were recruiting US Islamic Believers as Homegrown Domestic Terrorists, so that they could blend in with the rest of US Citizens.), again because he was on the President's own Islamic Program (Council) he was "untouchable".

Many of us (US Military Asymmetric Warfare) undergo Psychological Evaluations after each Mission, and the required Yearly Examination (days) even if it means being locked up at at Psych Ward for a few weeks (just to make sure, no long term effects.). And no these Psychological Evaluations and Examinations are NOT "Standardized" making them easier to fool.

The US Military Conventional Warfare Forces returning from the Wars, have their own Psychological Tests, and mandatory classes, just not as intensive or as long. The main problem with theirs is that most of this is NOT one on one (personal) and based on multiple choice answers to questions (automated, computerized, preliminary screenings). And it is up to the Commander to decide if the individuals that deviate must be referred to the next levels of Psychological Screenings and Tests. This is what Major Hassan belonged to and was subject to, being a Psychiatrist, this level of Psychological Screening was easy for him to defeat (another Psychiatrist could just declare him "Normal" without the tests.).

well said. unfortunately our politicians in Congress will pander to anyone regardless of the consequences.

Bill, yep we do need those things but then the we will have to put up with the "OOOO YOUR PICKING ON ME BECAUSE (fill in a million reasons)..... In the mean time we have to put up with the TSA Gastopo..... What a waist of Time and Money for a fake sense of security..... Bill did we really spend spend our time Defending our Rights to have them taken away so easy.....

I agree with comment earlier about getting through security faster so we can wait for the plane. Thats what we do Hurry up and wait :) There is no demand for this action with the security other then for a politicians to feel patriotic

I agree, we NEED to start profiling like other countries do and leave PC in the ocean.

Bill from Oregon - Did we already forget the Ft Hood event?

Read post#5.16.

Why would that be embarrassing? Random is random. It cares not what uniform you wear. Bystanders should understand this. If they don't you are entitled to ignore their ignorance.

I was singled out in Tampa BECAUSE I was in uniform, and late for my connecting flight. I had proper ID, and orders in hand.
The TSA rep who sent me through the grinder was a fat loser who said he had been in the Army and had no intention of giving "special" treatment to uniformed members of the military.
I informed the guy that my flight was due to leave in less than 5 minutes, so he pulled my bag for inspection and had me go through the pat down. If my flight had not been delayed I would have missed it, with no connecting flight until the next day. I was on my way back to Iraq at the time. I was polite to him, but he was confrontative and abusive, even called his supevisor out to talk to me, and told him I was being abusive to him.

While returning home from Viet Nam in 1967 I was searched up and down, as was my luggage. There were no provisions made for the military, though the plane carried only military. We went through the whole pile of crap-being searched, being called names, facing the disapproval of most civilians, and then PTSD. We are still waiting for the crumbs to be thrown our way. I have been waiting seven years, and don't really expect anything before I die.

I'm 58 and had to quit wearing the Marine sweatshirt whenever I traveled because I always got singled out and spread eagle and complete bag searched if I did. BTW, I bought sweatshirt as a way of showing support for my son when he was in Iraq and wore it daily while he was there.

Never once in all my travels have I ever seen any one dressed in traditional Muslim garb have to go through either type of search. I have frequently seen US Military, middle aged women, and senior citizens put throught the routine however.

Apparently the TSA believes there is validity in the "Smack the kid next to him and my troublemaker kid won't act up" joke from the 60's.

Fatbee,
We still do. I am not sure why, but when we transition through Kuwait on the way home, we are required to wait for hours to go through a complete pat down. We have to unpack all of our bags to make sure we are not taking any contriband out of theater.
It's funny because of "General Order One" that we are put through this on the way OUT. Then we go through the civilian search when we get back to the states. Even though we are on a military contracted flight with nothing but other soldiers on them. I would have thought they would be more concerned on what we are taking IN to theater.

Fatbee...THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I was a child of the 50's and missed the Viet Nam war by being born late. I did not appreciate you then, but I am trying to make up for it now. I volunteer to help the returning wounded. By helping them, I am trying to repay you guys that did not get all you needed then.

Military man if it was a connecting flight why would you be going through security screening again?

Fatbee while you all got crapped on all the Vet Nam vets have sure stepped up to the play for us. Now a days most the benefits we get are because of you all making sure we are taken care of

I agree why imbarrassed? You are showing people that even as a soldier you must still follow the same rules as them This is setting a good example.

Fine all of you Swear or Affirm an Oath to Protect and Defend the United States of America for a few years/decades, then we will talk.

How about this every time any US Politician including the President of the US departs or arrives, they are felt up by the TSA. Same if not similar Oath of Office.

So what the US Politicians do not have to adhere to the US Laws, nor set the example.

"All those returning from the Wars are potential Homegrown Domestic Terrorists" - Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, Guilty until proven innocent.

David Nancy Pelosi dosen't need to be screened her and her family take a private military flight wherever she wants to go. And yes Politicians need to be subject to searches also to help set the example. Whats good enough for us regular folks. I would bet money they would throw a fit and try to get someone fired.

ninnybon,

LOL. Nancy Pelosi. When she was flying Commerical First Class (before she started abusing the US Military Flights), she was never screened and just flashed her US Congressional Representative Credentials (Identification). Quite a few of the Congressional Representatives do that (believe that they are above the Laws that they created (including mine)).

Pelosi abuse something ? Next thing you will be accusing her of making millions of dollars on shady deals that the rest of us would go to jail for! Yes that is the problem in DC these people really do think they are better then us.

Fatbee-you mentioned PTSD, and maybe that's what they're worried about. Some soldier who has lost his marbles going psycho on the other passengers. Very, very rare, yes, but it only takes one...

That having been said, I see nothing wrong with simply giving them priority service through the lines to the body scanners. So long as they aren't packing heat, then there shouldn't be a problem.

There is equality under the law but that doesn't mean we should all be treated the same. If you believe that we should all be treated the same then there are millions of issues you should be protesting.

I have to start somewhere. I choose here.

The Declaration of Independence states "all men created equal" but it does not state that we remain equal.

The choices you make in life after the moment you are born eliminate that equality. For example, am I equal with a felon? Of course not.

Those men and women who serve this great country in the Armed Forces are not equal to those who did not serve. They deserve special priviledges and exemptions, such as the one afforded in this bill.

The Declaration of Independence is a statement of intent.

US Constitution, Article IV, Section 2: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

THammock, Oregon,

Good, you want to be equal, go ahead Swear or Affirm an Oath to Protect and Defend the United States of America for a few years or decades at risk to your life, and family hardships. Then not be exempt from procedures for those that did not swear or affirm the Oath when returning from doing your Sworn or Affirmed Duty (Oath of Office for US Military Officers). Then we will talk about equality.

You volunteered to NOT be "equal", by not Volunteering for US Military Service. As stated by Candidate Obama during the Presidential Debates, "US Military Service is a Civic Duty", and "US Citizenship is not an Entitlement".

You want "equality" go read the warnings of Kurt Vonnegut's 1961 Book, "Harrison Bergeron".

david, you are speaking from ignorance. I already did the very things you mention. I didn't and don't expect to be treated special. It was my job and I did it. In fact, it was those of us who volunteered for military service who volunteered not to be "equal". We volunteered to do a difficult job for very little pay and thanks. And I got what I volunteered for. And I am happy with what I got.

True heroes don't look for privileges or accolades. And volunteering doesn't make you (or me) a hero. Doing something exemplary does. I did what every other soldier over there did and there is no reason to lionize me or anyone else for it. We didn't volunteer to be heroes - we volunteered to serve our country.

THammock, Oregon - david, you are speaking from ignorance.

Nope you are. And by the way I got suspended for using that word before as a COH Newsvine Violation.

So you are not going to listen to President Obama.

As far as you either previously or currently Serving in the US Military your post indicates otherwise from a position of ignorance or being a US Military REMU.

As far as "And volunteering doesn't make you (or me) a hero."

First, I and most of my men and women did NOT volunteer. We were Involuntarily Recalled to Active Duty "For Matters of National Security" (that part of our Retirement Papers).

Second, the only "Heroes" that we know of are dead.

Third, you clearly based on your posts did not take your Sworn or Affirmed Oath seriously. As "a Job" and nothing more.

Fourth, based on your posts you sound just like the imposters that we mentioned at the other posts due to your lack of knowledge about details of the US Military (previous and current), YOUR IGNORANCE. As part of the 92% of US Civilians that have NEVER Served in the US Military.

I proudly served 6 years in the US Navy. Your insistence that I don't speak in the manner of a vet is based on faulty assumptions and I find it insulting. Take off the blinders, friend.

I think we have to integrate your CAC with TSA, including PIN verification. I believe that would eliminate impersonating military personnel.

BigPaul - I think we have to integrate your CAC with TSA, including PIN verification. I believe that would eliminate impersonating military personnel.

That is why:

Disgruntled American Man - I'm in the military and I don't support this measure.

Did not know about the CAC and is more than likely one of the impersonators.

And he fooled all those that voted for his post.

Big Paul,

99.9% of those reading this story and blog do not know what a CAC is....I do however most excellent ideal.

Larry S-1209755,

There are also required secondary measures (depending on Alert Status) to verify CACs.

And in many cases those not in the US Military do not have a "Need to Know" about CACs, the secondary measures, Layers of Security or other Security Measures.

So we have US Troops coming across our border a lot? Is that what i am getting by this guys post. worse he knew they were impostures and let it happen? I mean after all he has seen it right? Whats your MOS disgruntled? Ill wait while you google what a MOS is.

If Paul is right and they use a CAC with the pin, then I would be for this. However, I don't know if they'll actually get this to work correctly. I have no faith in the government.

As for David and ninny, I work in an office where we handle theft/loss of CACs. I know how often people lose them and so it isn't unlikely that a terrorist or other person might get one. I have found IDs before, what's to say somebody else never will? As for ninny's post, I either didn't write clearly or you mistook me. The instance I'm referring to was a security briefing released several years ago. A member of a South American militant group donned an Army uniform and came across the southern border with orders in hand to a US military base. He almost made it all the way through. As for my MOS, it's irrelevant because I'm not working in that field right now anyway.

They are heroic because they are voluntarily putting there lives on the line for our country, whether they believe in this war or not. They are signing up for the military, knowing something could happen at any time, and they could be sent to the front lines, and risk death. What happens if the U.S. goes to war with another big nation, not saying we will, but suppose we go to war with China. Guess who gonna be over there protecting us, and ensuring that whatever reason we would be over there for, is carried out. Maybe the war's in Iraq and Afghanistan aren't exactly heroic, the fact something big could happen, and as I said earlier, they'd be there putting there lives on the line. That heroic.

YOUR freedoms (Jacques) are being surrendered because that's what you French do ... surrender.

OMG, here comes a little girl with a water pistol. Take my baguette and piece of cheese. :)

YOUR freedoms (Jacques) are being surrendered because that's what you French do ... surrender.

I was born in the Bronx (you know - part of New York). I know what it means to be measured for a coffin, by people far scarier than you, in your wildest nightmares, could ever fathom.

It's not heroics to kill for no reason. But logic is wasted on your type. Please, go back to watching Hannity and his ilk and bent. Drown in your own ignorance, it's where you belong.

first lets get something straight: the Armed forces does not go to war our government did!!! It is heroic because this is what we sworn to do!!

We are doing a job that most won't do for various reasons, like you, but forget that in the end it is the Armed Forces that protect the rights that the Constitution bestowed on all US citizens and that my fellow countrymen is called brave, heroic!!

As far as your worst nightmare, I invite you to join my unit on our next deployment to Aghanistan and learn what the worst nightmare of your life really means.......becasue I think you are using those words but you do not grasp the meaning but you will if you take me up on the challenge!

Don't go and blame the military personnel for our governments screw ups. THEY ARE RISKING THEIR LIVES.. They go where they are ordered to go. I can promise you that not a single one of them really wants to be there. They would much rather be sitting at home like you. But no they arnt because they volunteered to serve their country. THAT ALONE MAKES THEM HEROES. What have you done for this country. I well i served 6 years active duty in the U.S. Navy Seabees. Even got shot at during peace time. So many things you don't know...

HOORAH SEABEE! CM3 here, did 9 months in Afghan last year, deployed to Guam right now. NMCB 40, Alfa Co. We sure as @!$%# didn't want to be in the desert, but like many have said, we follow orders. We go where we're told. I'm not against having to go through security like everyone else, if you follow the guidelines and show up early you have plenty of time to catch your flight. Sure it can be a pain having to unlace your boots, but if that means no crazies can squeek by, then suck it up shipmate! :) But if this does get passed, which I'm sure it will cuz everyone loves a hero, then so be it. The TSA just needs to make sure they're doing there job.

HOORAH ALFA

Jacques-2757417,

LOL. Typical Blame Game. You sound just like the person that blames the hammer for hitting his own hand, and not blaming themselves for hitting their own hand with the hammer.

Why, because YOU hired those Politicians that sent us (US Military) to the Wars with the passage of US Laws, like 1998 H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act", justification Weapons of Mass Destruction Section 2 "Findings" of H.R.4655, and when the lesser measures of US Law, 1998 H.R.4655 failed, US Congress used the Final Option, the US Military, by Declaring War With Iraq with US Law, 2002 Iraqi War Resolution with Congressional Appropriations.

And DO NOT even attempt to say that YOU did not hire them by not voting, as by not voting you basically voted for the rivals and allowed those that did get into Office to do what they wanted. And it was those that YOU hired by their either Voting For, Abstaining from Voting on those US Laws (and the similar ones after the 9/11 2001 Attacks). The only people that have a valid excuse for not voting is us (US Military) as Absentee Ballots are NOT anonymous and are accessible by the US Politicians that will end our US Military Careers when (not if) there is a Political Party Regime Change (4 or 8 years during our 20, +20 years, +30 year US Military Careers).

So Basically, Man Up (Woman Up) Blame yourself.

recon0321,

Jacques-2757417 sounds like one of those, that when a wizzer (close by in feet; but, not a zinger inches away) goes by her head, pisses and sh!ts all over herself.

SNOOK,

Thanks, USN Seabees attached to us, US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, for building a improvised airstrip to land C-130s and C-141s.

Jaques do you even know what happens over seas? Do you not think these people want to come over and kill you the first chance they get? Even though recono is infantry and not as smart or as good looking as Tankers he is right its what we are sworn to do. We do not decide the wars we simply do what is asked of us. While there are a few bad apples most of us do not just go around killing innocent people we do what we can to not harm innocent Iraqi people or anybody else.

ninnybon,

Jacques-2757417 based on his post believes that:

1. We like being here (Afghanistan) for years of consecutive tours after being involuntarily recalled to US Military Active Duty. And really enjoyed previously having our US Civilian Careers destroyed by the continuous Recalls to Active Duty (my second Career was Teaching, mostly at inner city schools (combat zones), third career after most Civilians would not employ me since they never knew (neither did I) if and when or for how long I would be recalled to Active Duty again was Retail (Management)). The same occured with most of my men and women their previous Civilian Careers destroyed (with most of us also divorced (after our spouses found someone else) and or lost child custody, etc.).

2. We are running around killing everyone that we see. And not accomplishing our US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare Mission, living with the locals for years to gain their trust (with their and their families lives), our Humanitian Mission as most of us are also trained Physician's Assistants (especially my "Lionesses" to provide Medical Treatments to Islamic Women) to provide the locals with Medical Care, buying local materials for the locals to build their own Schools and Medical Clinics (we roll up our sleeves and assist in the building), afterwards (while not performing our other Missions we teach at the schools at the villages (nothing religious or pushing US Values on them, mostly Math, Science, Reading and Writing (helps us maintain our language proficency)), some of us live with the locals and some of us live in the surrounding mountains to provide security to the villagers from the violent shakedowns (grabbing their teenagers to become Islamic Jihadists, food, clothes, etc.) of the Taliban, Al Quada, Hamas Foreign Fighers, Islamic Chechen Foreign Fighters, Pakistanis Taliban, etc..

3. Believes that Afghanistan was always this way ("Tribal", "Living in Caves", "Mud Huts", etc.), without knowing that from the 1950s to 1979 (USSR 40th Army Occupation) that the US built up US Ally Afghanistan as a "Little America" (Western, Modern, etc., New Airports, Canals, etc.). During the USSR 40th Army Occupations some of this was destroyed. Later the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban as supported by Fundamentalist Islamic Iran destroyed everything that was "Western", "Modern", "Non Islamic", while massacring the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen that we* trained to defeat the USSR 40th Army Occupation. It was the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban that "Turned the lights off" all over Afghanistan, when they destroyed the "Modern" "Western" "Non Islamic" Electric Power Plants.

*When I say we, I do not mean YOU nor the Rest of the US Military, I mean we (some of my surviving men, women ("Amazons" as Combatants) and myself, currently with my Teams) as assigned to SAD as the US Military Training Teams to Pakistan/Afghanistan to train the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen (NOT OBL, who was still living with his rich relatives at Saudi Arabia, nor Al Quada (not known back then and newly formed by OBL while he was at Saudi Arabia), nor the Taliban (formed from the Millions of Pro USSR Afghans that fled to Fundamentalist Islamic Iran during the USSR 40th Army Occupation, that was massacring any Afghans (Pro USSR, Pro US), after the USSR 40th Army Occupation Defeat by the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen, the Millions of Pro USSR Afghans returned from Fundamentalist Islamic Iran, many after years of being at Fundamentalist Islamic Iran (strict Islamic Laws) became Fundamentalist Islamic Believers, upon returning to Afghanistan many became the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban and then massacred the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen, their families, relatives, in laws, friends, etc. to the extent of 20,000 to 50,000 massacred, in many Afghan cities the trees looked like Christmas trees, except the ornaments were people hanging by the neck left to rot (after being beaten nearly to death)(as documented by USSR Tass News, not the US news (not allowed into Afghanistan at that time).

4. Believes that the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government by providing Islamic Sanctuary to Osama Bin Laden, Al Quada, and the Islamic Jihadist Training Camps had nothing to do with the 9/11 2001 Attacks while most of the Islamic World was offering the US Capture and Extradiction of Osama Bin Laden for the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombings (including Gaddaffi at Libya). As without this Islamic Sanctuary (given anything from the host without restrictions (up to the Guest, not the Host)) after the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombing provided, Communications, Funding, Weapons, Ammunition, Medical Supplies, Security (against us going in and terminating OBL, Al Quada, etc.), Intelligence, etc. Osama Bin Laden, Al Quada, etc. would not have been able to plan, coordinate, or anything else pertaining to the 9/11 2001 Attacks.

5. Believes that we like being used as a Vengence Force, just weeks after the 9/11 2001 Attacks. Missions: a. Overthrow the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government for providing Islamic Sanctuary to Osama Bin Laden, Al Quada, and the Islamic Jihadist Training Camps., b. UN Mission, Nation Building of US Ally "Little America" Afghanistan., c. Mission added after 2006, President Bush amends the US No Assassination Policy to allow the termination of Osama Bin Laden.

During the overthrow of the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government, we found out what happened to the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen (massacred by the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government as Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers, the Death Penalty per Islamic Laws). So those of us that were sent to Northern Afghanistan had to buy the trust of the Northern Alliance (since we did not have the time to live with them for years to gain their trust), their mission Overthrow the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government to the North, attack the Northern Islamic Jihadist Training Camps. Those of us that had been here before (Training the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen, knowledge of Languages, terrain, cities, etc.) were sent into the Afghan Cities to distrupt the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government (and their Military components) until the US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces with the Northern Alliance arrived.

What we did in the Afghan Cities is not documented (except by us to cover our arses as not to become Politically Expedient Scape Goats), what the US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces with the Northern Alliance did is documented here:

http://dougstanton.net/

Those of us that survived would later be sent to live with the Kurdistanis at Northern Iraq, 2002, to live with the Kurdistanis to gain their trust. Organize them to fight the Iraqis Military, seize and secure the Iraqis Northern Oil Fields. Create a Strategic Operational Feint so that the Iraqis Military Command would deploy the Main Iraqis Military Forces North of Baghdad (they did) believing that the Main US Military Forces (Conventional Warfare) would come thru US Ally Turkey. This was done shortly after the US Congress Declared War With Iraq with US Law (with US Congressional Appropriations), 2002 Iraqi War Resolution. This is why the Iraqis were waiting and planning for the US Military to attack since 2002. Our being there (Iraq) was in preparation for the 2003 US Military Liberation of Iraq, in accordance with US Laws, 1998 H.R. 4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act" (with US Congressional Appropriations), and US Declaration of War, 2002 Iraqi War Resolution.

When we were destroying the 6 full strength Iraqis Armor (Tanks) and Mechanized Infantry Divisions deployed North of Baghdad we did try to only destroy the equipment and not kill the Iraqis Military (as the Iraqis were just following orders, some of their Commanders and Senior NCOs were our allies during the Iran Iraq Wars, that we trained before being sent to Pakistan/Afghanistan to train the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen.).

6. etc. other Missions, etc. Finally, ending here (Afghanistan) conducting US Military Asymmetric Mountain Wafare (years of consecutive tours), previously years of consecutive tours Iraq, etc..

so sure Jacques-2757417 keep on relying on crap written by non participants based on information from other non participants.

All troops are not hero's. I am so sick of hearing that. The vast majority signed up either from lack of options or to pay for college. Hero's are people that go above and beyond the call of duty. As far as them dying for our freedoms, no they are dying because our country keeps getting into pointless wars. Most of our rights are fought for by civilians. Starting with the militia fighting off the British, to everybody who fought for civil rights.

Most soldiers are no different than anybody else, just have a dangerous job. There are certainly hero's among them, but there are also horrible people as well. The uniform doesn't make the man.

Ten,
You are absolutely correct. I don't see how these systems are that secure, I did a little research a year or so ago and found out that many of the people working for TSA weren't vetted and had no security clearance.
If you look you can find arrest records for TSA employees who have been convicted of theft of passenger's goods and airport employees who have little better backgrounds.

I was stationed in New Orleans before my last tour to Iraq, and when I travelled back from a training event in California someone working in the system stole my Advanced Combat Helmet out of my duffel bag. They even went so far as to refold my uniforms and put them back in.
We used to lock our bags, but were informed that they were required to be searched so we could NOT put locks on them.

If we are searched, lets search the black bags also. Last year I put my 80 year ole mother with her 86 year ole boyfriend on a flight out of Pittsburgh to Florida. They spent 37 minutes searchin them since he was full of Jap shrapnel from WWII. As they were being detained, 3 black bags just floated through the check point. Made me feel real safe. LOL!

NOT wearing US uniforms, they were wearing Afghani police and army uniforms. Same thing in Iraq.

Military Man-1740371

NOT wearing US uniforms, they were wearing Afghani police and army uniforms. Same thing in Iraq.

Doesn't matter Military Man, the principle is the same. I am a military veteran too. Anyone can get a US military uniform. Just go to a surplus store or buy it on-line. You don't have to have a "Death to Infidels" card to get it either.

Terry-753375,

Try and fool the bureaucratic side of the US Military with a fake CAC (your post indicates you do not know about current CACs).

You can be a US Military General or Admiral, wearing the proper uniform of a US Military General or Admiral; but without the verification of a CAC you are not a US Military General or Admiral and treated as such, an impostor (with lots of courtesy just incase you are a US Military General or Admiral).

Spot on David. CAC would be the answer but that would mean the DOD and Homeland security would have to cooperate unlike the Congress!!!!!

God I hate the stupid CAC card such a pain in the butt!

I agree with you. It would be far better use of resources to employ more Marshals or even to certify some of us to work as Airline security ON flights.
As it is, it wouldn't take much to get something or someone on a plane without notice. As many nefarious individuals as have been arrested working for TSA in the last few years, it's hard to justify everyone's fear of those of us in uniform.
As I've stated before, I would have no problem assisting the Air Marshals, with some extra training and certification, in exchange for discounted flights.

Military Man-1740371 - even to certify some of us to work as Airline security ON flights.

Spend a few decades for training and operational experience (maturity is also a requirement) as to why the average minimum age is 35 (no language training and experience yet), then you can be one of us, see bottom of post#5.16. (it is no fun for us because we cannot get drunk, sleep (unless most of us are awake, if there are more than a half dozen of us on the same commercial flight), etc.).

david I agree military training does not mean your qualified to do security on a plane. Now if you need a 50 cal gunner for a flight i am qualified!

you seem to have forgotten we have terrorists who hijack and crash planes. if you don't like being screened, don't fly.

Wytch doctor is right sharky. What they are doing at the airports is security theater, designed more to habituate us to intrusive searches and to make Chertoff money on the machines.

Soon to be added to train stations, bus stations and checkpoints where we drive.

Do you really think a 9/11 is EVER going to happen again? People were trained to let hijackers take what they want. No more.

On top of that, baggage handlers don't go through security. There are routine instances of pilots being forced to give up the silverware that is being handed out in first class on the plane.

It's people like you that FEED the terrorists, Sharky.

Hey Sharkey you seemed to have forgotten; NOT 1 single airplane on 9/11 was hijacked by an American citizen. We haven't had an American terrorist attack in over 15+ years and even then it was fringe military operatives or patsies involved.

U.S.A. is one of the FEW countries that require this type of Airport security. We are supposedly fighting terrorists that attacked US so why are WE the subject of invasive searches and siezures?

If the TSA can allow military personell to skip the security screening even though they claim vets and Ron Paul supporters are more "at risk" for terrorism then they can just pack the @!$%# up and get the @!$%# out. 80 year old ladies and 8 year old girls had nothing to do with 9/11 yet they are the most important targets of these invasive screening proceedures.

If your ignorant enough to think that this is benefitial in anyway you need to get the @!$%# out of this country this is America We dont treat our citizens like criminals in order to prevent crimes. We deal with criminals AFTER they actually do something wrong. This is NOT the Minority Report! this is NOT 1984!! I realize the head of the pentagon is an ex sci-fi writer but this is not science fiction and this country was not founded on these principles.

Read and Comprehend your constitution and Bill of rights. All of this @!$%# is Illegal it is wrong and Immoral and if you condone it you deserve hell to come crashing down on your head.

The TSA DHS need to be abolished. We need to dissolve the U.N. and we need to start treating our neighbors and less devoloped Nations like friends and trading partners. We need to let them govern themselves the way they want to. So what if someone wants to trade their Oil in Euros; let them if our dollars was solid and stable thats the currency they would want to trade in if were worried about such issues then we need to do the things that make our currency stable and strong such as Abolishing the Federal Reserve Bank and reenacting the Glass Steigal Act and preventing Banks and lending institutions from betting on toxic assets. A Bank is NOT a casino. If you want to gamble own a casino not a bank.

There are alot of people on here that think the TSA is necesarry. Well, its NOT and not only is it not necessary it is Illegal. Our elected leaders and representatives are NOT doing their JOb and they need to be FIRED one way or another. If this continues you will wake up very soon to foreign occupation. Hell, congress is even talking about passing a bill wich will abolish the Posses Comitatus Act. Just a warning, if this happens anyone whom is not my real friend in real life will be my enemy and dont think I'm alone on this one. We are not on a slippery slope; We are sliding out of control down a steep mountain we have very little time to come up with a plan so everyone better start working together to come up with a solution or our lives are going to take a drastic change for the worse.

Guito where in the bill of rights does it say that you have the right to fly on a plane? Flying is a choice and a privilege so you can simply decide on another way to travel if you are so put out by these searches. Personally I could care less about getting frisked as its even worse for the person doing the frisking.

Also I am with you on many areas guito accept I don't feel like making sure someone brings weapons on a plane is treating us like criminals. I know Ron Paul thinks the airlines themselves would take over this role in security but is terrorism part of national security?If it is part of our national security then isnt it the governments responsibility to do this? At what point would providing security drive the airlines out of business? Would this not effect tourism and hurt our economy? Another question is if you saw a guy with a loaded 50 cal around a school play ground full of kids would you call the police or wait and see if he opens fire then prosecute him? Would you be willing to sacrifice your kid using your line of thinking about only going after these people after they commit the crime? I love Ron paul I just dont agree with him on a few issues

We pack the all mighty leatherman tool in our bag :) Also you only have to go through security once. And the security we face from the military in checking our stuff is far worse then on the civilian side. You should see some of the stuff customs finds in Kuwait. We are talking RPGs grenades and the list goes on.

How about a slow clap? Ha I know if i am in uniform going through airport I just want to be ignored.

I don't see why the military shouldn't get a free ride through security. It's asinine and cowardly that you are searched at all.

As it is right now, all a potential terrorist has to do is stand in a line crowded up in front of the groping station and light up right there.

Then not only would we wet ourselves and lose bowel control in fear of getting on the plane, but just for fear of standing in the line to get on the plane.

What the TSA is trying to avoid is YESTERDAY's threat. It gives the frightened victims of fear mongering an illusion of greater safety. Meanwhile, a terrorist is whistling a happy tune knowing that the package he packed is going in to the belly of the plane and nobody is going to notice it because they are examining Granny's panties in the concourse.

Bob they still have to clear security they are just expediting it. And Paddy you are so dead on! These lines put more people in harms way then the amount of people on the flight itself.

Erica is WRONG. ANY branch wears their uniform while flying, NOT JUST the U.S. Army.

Does stupidity run in her family?

Condi was only there for how long before sept 11? Dont worry after a few years we will get back to ignoring intelligence reports.